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Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« on: July 29, 2013, 05:24:58 PM »
This is the same old boring cornering/handling question with the new spin of specificity (and frustrated desperation).


My dirt-handling is so bad relative to my fitness, that I am rolling by default into a cardinal sin: I am not tired after a cyclocross race. Road race? Done. Crits? Vomiting. 'Cross? Alert, fresh, dirty, and hideously embarrassed.


For the love of Lars Boom, somebody help. Controlled course drills? Mountain bike trails? Hypnotism? Liquor? What the heck do I do? I'm tired of this and I want to get better. Run ups are fine, barriers are a breeze. Straight run to a hole shot? No problem. Bendy path through a field or S turns through a drainage ditch? I'm Simba dodging wildebeests.

Also, how in the name of jumping-jiminy-**** do you navigate a hairpin that goes down a steep hill and back up (the 180 is near, but not at, the bottom). Seriously, I'm suspecting voodoo of some kind. I'm sure there's something I can work on, practice, to get better at stuff like that. The problem is, I'm at a point of ignorance where I don't even know where to start.

Somebody help. I'll owe you forever, just aim me in the right direction.

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2013, 05:51:54 PM »
Ahh, the rare instance in which I believe HTFU actually applies.


*note: I bought and sold a MTB with less than 100mi on it because I was unable to HTFU and hate every second of dirt riding.

Only other thought is to train on the dirt more. I mean, what else is there?
« Last Edit: July 29, 2013, 05:54:12 PM by ygduf »

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 06:16:02 PM »
Not sure I can help, but learning to trust your tires past(well past) the limits of adhesion is how you go fast off-road. Push yourself hard enough to where you get tired and you should also be closer to your tires' limits. Then, go faster.

If you're not routinely cornering where both tires are trying to go out from under you, pedal harder :) Embrace being out of control....and recovering from it. You'll crash. Boo hoo.

ygduf's right. HTFU.:D

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 09:32:02 PM »

HTFU works for me. I'm used to hitting things with my face until they do what I want. I just figured I'd actively seek an answer instead of just sort of hoping it would work.

That hairpin nonsense is still a mystery, though. I'll probably just find a hill and set up some cones.



Thanks, guys.

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 10:17:21 PM »
In road and crit racing the saying is, in order to commit to your move, you have to be willing to get dropped.


In cross and MTB racing, in order to commit to your move, you have to be willing to eat ****.

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 10:35:51 PM »
gc's last sentence is so true. There's been times I've passed people in MTB races where if you were watching it would look like I was totally in control. I'm not, I'm just super-committed to the line and it has to work. No traction, tires bouncing off things in every direction...it's a blast.

Setting up some cones and practicing is a good idea. See what body english you need to maintain traction and speed. You'll learn!

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2013, 10:53:11 PM »
In road and crit racing the saying is, in order to commit to your move, you have to be willing to get dropped.


I have been super committed this year!
« Last Edit: July 29, 2013, 10:55:15 PM by Wylde06 »

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2013, 11:18:06 PM »
gc's last sentence is so true. There's been times I've passed people in MTB races where if you were watching it would look like I was totally in control. I'm not, I'm just super-committed to the line and it has to work. No traction, tires bouncing off things in every direction...it's a blast.

Setting up some cones and practicing is a good idea. See what body English you need to maintain traction and speed. You'll learn!


This is something I already deal with. My girlfriend has gone from off-trail snow boarding and marathons to racing mountain bikes recently. Every time she tells me she was impressed with how I handled some section of a trail ride on my 'cross bike, my memory is usually a hum and a blur because I was absolutely convinced I was going to die.

I have a serious over-thinking problem. I'm probably just going to get good and blackout drunk before every race. Or learn to crawl out of my head. Either/or.

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2013, 06:44:45 AM »
 :lol:

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2013, 07:21:04 AM »
At least with CX you can get good and drunk during the race :)

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2013, 11:13:24 AM »

I have a serious over-thinking problem. I'm probably just going to get good and blackout drunk before every race. Or learn to crawl out of my head. Either/or.


I hear *ahem* safety meetings can chill you out and give you the proper flow.


You could do that, or alternately just stick to Road Racing like a real man!

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2013, 12:20:17 PM »


Also, how in the name of jumping-jiminy-**** do you navigate a hairpin that goes down a steep hill and back up (the 180 is near, but not at, the bottom). Seriously, I'm suspecting voodoo of some kind. I'm sure there's something I can work on, practice, to get better at stuff like that. The problem is, I'm at a point of ignorance where I don't even know where to start.




One of several of the following depending on conditions:
stupid low tire pressure
Tripod your inside foot
use a rut to hold your tire on it's line
dismount just before the inside, use pole to swing you around corner, run up and remount
lean your body more than your bike if your tires don't have much tread on the shoulders




I guess it's time to get my cross bike in working order.


Caveat: I'm also generally in the far more fitness than skills category. Unless I break a collarbone and don't ride the trainer while it's broken, then I just suck miserably.
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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2013, 03:58:41 PM »
ok it's been a bunch of years since I did this

but

when I did hairpins in cross it was better to set up ridiculously wide, like much wider than you think you need. 
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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2013, 04:10:25 PM »
That sounds better than what a buddy did: roll a tubular on the last lap and find out just how many people he could beat on foot if he gave up on not vomiting over the line.

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Re: Cornering and Course Features (with 100% more voodoo)
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2013, 07:29:04 AM »
I'm with you, my dirt handling skills need improving and I always over think everything when it comes to bike racing.  In CX, as wens said, use your inside foot as a tripod when turning tight, off camber stuff, also keep lots of weight on your seat/rear tire.  I'll be back at CX this fall, wallowing all over the dirt.  The good thing about CX is when you fall, it's a lot softer than road racing when you hit the deck at 30+ mph :P
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