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tetonrider

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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2012, 04:51:58 PM »
If you go the Ui2 route, make sure you get a cross crank.

why? my plan would be to swap in one of my other cranksets with a 110BCD and either run 50/34 or smaller cross rings as appropriate...for cost reasons.

what am i missing?

a quick check was showing that specialized frames are either not yet, or not widely, available...at least for the 2013 carbon models. hm. trying to determine if the carbon full bikes are available, but then i'd be selling off the rest of the bike, essentially.

hm. anyone have any leads?

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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2012, 07:56:12 PM »
A dealer can check the availability. When I ordered my venge there were only a handful in the US but when I actually got it, many more were available.
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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2012, 09:58:19 PM »
i'm hearing no cruxes (frames or built) until december/january. weird they'd miss the entire cross season (for many places). hm. maybe lots of preorders ate them up...though my shop says that is hard to believe. hm.

anyone know any different?

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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2012, 10:17:24 PM »
I looked at one of the new models but didn't get it because I was told the soonest it would come in was late October. When I looked at the current models their numbers were limited, like only three left of the one I got.

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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2012, 11:47:31 PM »
thanks--yeah, it looks like specialized is out for me if i want to race CX this year (season is over by 11/1 here), so i'm looking at cannondale and stevens.

unless someone knows of something...

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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2012, 01:01:53 AM »

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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2012, 10:24:55 AM »
thanks. bb30 or variant (pf30, osbb) is an absolute requirement for me. can't tell if the vD frames are or are not.

EDIT: looks like the vD frames are bb30. hm.

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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2012, 10:33:37 AM »
http://www.novemberbicycles.com/hot-buns-original-recipe/

These guys aren't fans of disc brakes. I'm not sure if that's a deal breaker, but their blog has some compelling reasons against. Of course, I don't do cx, and really can't offer any type of opinion for or against. 
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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2012, 10:45:53 AM »
http://www.novemberbicycles.com/hot-buns-original-recipe/

These guys aren't fans of disc brakes. I'm not sure if that's a deal breaker, but their blog has some compelling reasons against. Of course, I don't do cx, and really can't offer any type of opinion for or against.

i'm going back and forth on disc brakes or not. i suspect it will be the way of the future, and one reason people seem to be avoiding it (from what i have read) is that they'd have to switch all their wheels over. since this is not a factor for me for CX, i have a little freedom.

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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2012, 11:03:06 AM »
 They also say they are tricky to set up, and don't stop as well. Of course, working in the auto biz, I saw that when fuel injection replaced carbs...  Now I wouldn't wish working on a carburetor on anyone. I digress.
 If there is a tricky system on a bike to parse out, I pick you to make it work. But brakes are an important part of a bike, and being able to slow down, or stop on request, should be at the top of any list. Again, using it for other than cx may sway folks towards disc, but I can't say for sure if that's the hot ticket for cross yet.

 
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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2012, 11:57:18 AM »
thanks. bb30 or variant (pf30, osbb) is an absolute requirement for me. can't tell if the vD frames are or are not.

EDIT: looks like the vD frames are bb30. hm.


Kona frames are pf 30. I like mine except for the cable routing, and i believe they've changed that.
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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2012, 12:00:03 PM »
They also say they are tricky to set up, and don't stop as well. Of course, working in the auto biz, I saw that when fuel injection replaced carbs...  Now I wouldn't wish working on a carburetor on anyone. I digress.
 If there is a tricky system on a bike to parse out, I pick you to make it work. But brakes are an important part of a bike, and being able to slow down, or stop on request, should be at the top of any list. Again, using it for other than cx may sway folks towards disc, but I can't say for sure if that's the hot ticket for cross yet.


They are tricky to set up, but the ones that don't stop are poor desigms. They should work almost as well  as road calipers. Hydraulic discs are probably an improvement, but i think that's the hydraulic more than the disc.
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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2012, 12:19:50 PM »
Would you folks buy, in 2013 (essentially), a cross bike without disc capability? Does the answer change if you had no existing investment in cross gear....a blank slate?

I'm spoiled in terms of rod and mountain bikes...and I have a feeling that if I get a cross bike I will like it a bunch and at least race hard locally.

Thanks!

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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2012, 03:41:44 PM »
Discs are only markedly better in the wet.  How often are the races (or riding) you'd be doing in the wet?

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Re: tell me about the crux
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2012, 04:29:53 PM »
thanks for that perspective. zipps have, for me, been bomber on the road (& dirt road/gravel/washboard), but i don't know the rigors of CX like you guys do, so i'm grateful for the input. what is it that beats them up so bad? are you worried about rims, spokes, or hubs...or all of the above?
Guys around here do ride deep carbon blingy wheels, I just would not be comfortable.  Here the courses are real rocky, muddy with lots of roots.  I only raced 1 season of CX and come to think of it, I never remember seeing broken wheels, unlike road racing, but the sounds and feelings of smashing carbon rims make me cringe.


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