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The Mazda5 is a decent family hauler, showed that to my wide as well. For some reason she is stuck on the idea of getting a bigger SUV or minivan, like the Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna.  I keep telling her size doesn't matter :P


Speciale, don't buy anything new, go the used route.  The mz3 hatch came out in 05 I believe.


As MM stated, the Subie OBS are nice as well.
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I was lucky enough to be able to do the various Mazda Rev-It-Up demo days. For those that didn't do it Mazda did a national series of "autocross" days, typically 2-4 "lessons" (like slalom, turn in, braking, smoothness) and one timed run (for real). I don't know if anyone here did them but they were a lot of fun. I went to the Englishtown one each time.

Ringers took the timed runs, guys who were current or former national 'cross champs. It was a totally different world, like bike racing to group riding. I did a decent-to-me run one year of maybe 39 seconds, the winning time was like 36, totally different, so much faster, crazy fast, like watching pros after doing a Cat 3 crit.

Anyway we got to drive the Protege Mazdaspeed turbo, Mazda3 (not MS3), 6 (that was the first year), 5, the CXs (you had to get within 18" of the cones, no closer, no further), Miata practice  (salad bowl on hood with ping pong balls, go as fast as possible without letting balls spill out), Miata as final timed run, RX-8 (first time I was a passenger with a pro - that was eye opening, esp after my own drive; he also pointed out something I do that I didn't realize, related to heel-toe stuff).

Although I like the Mazda line, I like their approach to the performance thing, I can't get over the relatively poor mileage. It's a principle thing, not a function of budget. It's the same reason I didn't consider another Nissan or a Honda (my bro has a current Si).

For what it's worth the Mazda 5s had a hard time with brakes - they had to keep rotating out cars due to fading. Otherwise, even with all the tire squealing, the clutch burning, etc, the only thing that kept cars out were tire and brake changes. Even the turbo cars were okay (except the Protege, which was severely cooked in a straight line acceleration/brake run), the RX-8 was especially good in a course that started with full out acceleration followed by a lot of swerving.

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Protege is pretty crude compared the Mazda3.  Mazda3's get much better mileage than equally equipped VW Jetta/Golfs.  I average 21mph with my 2.5 manual without my racks.  Mazda3 2.5 with manual 24.7. 


I've driven MazdaSpeed3's and Mazda Miata's (MX5's) on arrive and drive track days as an instructor.  The 3's were equal to any GTI I've driven and historically have far less mechanical issues (especially DSG models).  As for the MX5 there are few cars in that price range that are as good and nothing that has a drop top. Period.


VAG cars are great dynamically and stylistically but honestly I would never own one out of warranty. I really regret buying one, and if I had not been under a lot of pressure to buy a car when I did I doubt I would have. 

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My mz3 typically gets ~24-27 mpg depending on how and where I drive.  Not that bad.


My buddy is into AutoX, I am supposed to go with him in Sept and drive his car, he has a pretty modded out mitsubishi ralliart.
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Our vehicles are too boring to be mentioned in this thread.

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The more cars I look at the more I'm thinking of just spending $800 on an old civic and starting a bigger savings for a car.

We both really like this guy, and at $15k I think it's a hell of a value, but until she gets a new job it's not a reasonable expense.


http://www.andersoncars.com/vehicles/69/2005-audi-a4-1.8t-wagon
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Run, do not walk away from that car as fast as you can.  Seriously you don't know costly repairs until you've started repairing Audi's.


Known issues on the 1.8t are coils, that will fail if they already haven't and out of warranty they ain't cheap.  I had an Audi service manager tell me once that he'd never own one of those out of warranty. 




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Run, do not walk away from that car as fast as you can.  Seriously you don't know costly repairs until you've started repairing Audi's.


Known issues on the 1.8t are coils, that will fail if they already haven't and out of warranty they ain't cheap.  I had an Audi service manager tell me once that he'd never own one of those out of warranty.


That's unfortunate.  Slick looking. Nice power. Fun to drive.
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German cars are expensive.  Actually some parts are surprisingly cheap but most are expensive.  It will cost about $4500 to get my 2002 VW Eurovan's transmission rebuilt when it dies.  Dealer would charge $7000 for a new one.  When I was in college I had an Audi that I got for $50 and kept running through frequent junkyard visits- it used the same engine and front end as a VW Dasher and for some reason there were a lot of those in junkyards.



Claudio Casiglioni (owner of Cagiva, who resurrected Ducati and MV) died:  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/19/business/claudio-castiglioni-motorbike-executive-dies-at-64.html?_r=1

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Maybe, but a 2002 Eurovan is worth investing in if the body is sound. It makes a great race vehicle, and they last forever.

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Maybe, but a 2002 Eurovan is worth investing in if the body is sound. It makes a great race vehicle, and they last forever.


Very cool vans.


Just so everyone knows I'm not a VAG hater I own one...I've also owned a lot cars that need constant maintenance. Nine Alfa Romeo's, a Triumph TR6, a 76 Jaguar XJ6,  two Fiats, a Spyder and a 124, so I'm not adverse to owning cars that need working on.  However those were old cars...cars that tinkering with are actually part of the joy of owning them.  A modern VW has many rivals in it's price range that are better built with equal performance. 

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  A modern VW has many rivals in it's price range that are better built with equal performance.

That bears repeating.
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Nine Alfa Romeo's, a Triumph TR6, a 76 Jaguar XJ6,  two Fiats, a Spyder and a 124

My god, you are a glutton for punishment.

I paid my dues with MGBGT's. I got sick of digging through junkyards for parts (Lajoie's knew me by name) so I found a rotted out hulk under a bridge in the Bronx for $200 that had good mechanicals and towed it home on I-95 with a rope.

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Many years ago, a co-worker and I put this together. It was a coil over frame built by Jerry Malloy, and it was the car Rick drove to keep himself sharp while in town. At the time, it was somewhat revolutionary in the modified world. It had a two speed Powerslide with no torque converter, which was engaged using a lever opening the main pressure line. The wing isn't installed at this time. Ricky gave me a ride in that thing, and I don't really think I have been as terrified/had as much fun, as that time. 1/5th mile track, with a lap of mid 12 seconds, latched onto the rollbar in a compartment barely big enough for him, much less both of us.
 
 Rick Carelli was running Open Competition out west, and ASA/All-Pro to the east. I drove the hauler, and on pitstops, I changed the rear tires. It was a blast.
 
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