I'm going to guess my crack about it showing that you and your buddies are roadies by ripping off RD's left and right, didn't go down swimmingly. I have to agree with Jeepnut and you WC. Outside of a remote area where a small group of people are beating themselves up having the time of their lives, them sounded like fighting words. Lycra and usually clipless pedals don't belong in the laid back, OMG I almost died lets go again environment, that he is speaking of. Too many good trails are being cured of any obstacles and made into undulating dirt highways without challenge other than being replacement road rides. If you are not doing the following things your ride didn't qualify as mountain biking under most circumstances; jumping, crashing, dabbing, falling, endoing, riding wheelies, near misses, brushes, sliding out, using more than half of your suspension, emergency braking, logs, rocks, ruts, dips into the weeds, bunnyhopping, riding down or up near vertical slopes, riding over things barely wider than a tire, rolling down a hill, never stopping smiling, using a secret path, admitting you are a pansy for chickening out multiple times, not caring, truly launching a bottle out of a cage, rattling your teeth, blood, mud, new scrapes, stepping off at any time to pee, building a new obstacle, no computers, not needing gps to find your way out, having to walk out, being out of cell reception, not caring, your bike has a seatbag, you have a double seat and/or knees, talked to everyone you saw, mineral water meant not rinsing off the bottle nipple before drinking, etc, etc, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TaNBuqSuNqk#!