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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2015, 12:08:22 AM »
my weekend went alright. Stage race. 2nd in RR, 5th in TT, 5th in GC.


points from 2->1. 35/35. Under one year.

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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2015, 08:16:06 AM »
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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2015, 10:19:46 AM »
points from 2->1. 35/35. Under one year.


This does not surprise me.

You should come to Joe Martin.
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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2015, 04:37:37 PM »

This does not surprise me.

You should come to Joe Martin.
Does not surprise me either. I agree, go to Joe Martin.

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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2015, 07:29:44 PM »
Well that sucks.  Absolutely no chance I'm ever going to purposely ride with you, ever.  Maybe if you meet me on my turf in -30 F ambient for a headwindy century in a blizzard. 


So yeah, congratulations or something for becoming a 1 in one of the harder districts in the US.  Maybe you can chase "bottle" or Landis around some furnace of a road race in the armpit of California with a modicum of success now.  Or totally crush some age cat masters.


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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2015, 07:35:53 PM »
the masters races I've been in are hard too. super cutthroat, and still 25 guys who could be top-half in a 100 person p12 field.


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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2015, 08:24:56 PM »
Cutting humor aside I make no aspersions to any of the fields out there being low quality.  Age and treachery over youth and beauty on top of men not hitting peak form until nearly Masters age makes for serious business.  Not to mention the sheer amount of ex-pros and former WC's out there in open Masters races. 


In a way you have topped/bottomed out though since you can't really go anywhere from cat1 unless you take on a mentoring role with a pro team for a season.  Job and wife would seem to preclude that as a substantive possibility. 


I'm happy for you, really.   

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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2015, 10:57:05 PM »
Cutting humor aside I make no aspersions to any of the fields out there being low quality.  Age and treachery over youth and beauty on top of men not hitting peak form until nearly Masters age makes for serious business.  Not to mention the sheer amount of ex-pros and former WC's out there in open Masters races. 


In a way you have topped/bottomed out though since you can't really go anywhere from cat1 unless you take on a mentoring role with a pro team for a season.  Job and wife would seem to preclude that as a substantive possibility. 


I'm happy for you, really.   


Try this next time:

"Congrats dude.  Hard work pays off."
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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2015, 11:06:28 PM »
Yg, I think you were a 4 when I started participating in this forum.  I remember a long thread back then about somebody being hesitant to upgrade out of the 4s.  I don't think that person was you, though I'm sure whoever it was would probably be embarrassed to re-read the conversation now.  But I do sort of recall you saying that you didn't have any particular aspirations to continue upgrading.   


Isn't it funny how things change.  Step by step, hey I won a race, maybe I should be racing with the 3s, maybe I could actually get my 2 someday, maybe in 5 years I'll cobble together enough points to be a 1... and now here you are.


I bet it will be a relief to race without getting agitated about trying to remember how many of the guys up the road are 2s vs 3s, or trying to count the spots ahead of you in a field sprint and hoping it's less than whatever the magic number is for that field size, and so on.  I hope it's a lot of fun.  Congratulations.

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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2015, 01:54:36 AM »

Try this next time:

"Congrats dude.  Hard work pays off."


Ideally I would suggest some words to put in your mouth.  Instead of more fuel for him to surpass others?


For shame TQ.  He's on a good path to some National if not World Championships participation for a number of years to come. 

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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2015, 07:04:29 AM »

Ideally I would suggest some words to put in your mouth.  Instead of more fuel for him to surpass others?


For shame TQ.  He's on a good path to some National if not World Championships participation for a number of years to come.

You're right. He should quit.

...you do realize that this does nothing but open more race opportunities right? You do realize he'll mostly be doing the same races he has been, right? You do realize that there is more to the sport than chasing points, right?
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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2015, 10:53:30 AM »
We can have this discussion when I aim some commentary at your progression.  If Y didn't like what I said and how I said it he is a capable of speaking for himself.  You don't get to decide how anyone feels, thinks, or handles their personal interactions other than Speciale p/b TEAM EGO.   


Thanks for inserting a 'Caption' Obvious overview of how the field of play works.  Settle down and consider undergoing some personal development that lets you express your thoughts more directly where the source of stimuli is concerned.  Just saying, reverting to exaggerations and pulling the conversation towards you and your placing is doing more to detract from his accomplishment than me apologizing for his good fortune facetiously and egregiously.

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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2015, 10:57:29 AM »
We can have this discussion when I aim some commentary at your progression.  If Y didn't like what I said and how I said it he is a capable of speaking for himself.  You don't get to decide how anyone feels, thinks, or handles their personal interactions other than Speciale p/b TEAM EGO.   


Thanks for inserting a 'Caption' Obvious overview of how the field of play works.  Settle down and consider undergoing some personal development that lets you express your thoughts more directly where the source of stimuli is concerned.  Just saying, reverting to exaggerations and pulling the conversation towards you and your placing is doing more to detract from his accomplishment than me apologizing for his good fortune facetiously and egregiously.

You're a real ***hole, you know that?


Also...


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Just saying, reverting to exaggerations and pulling the conversation towards you and your placing is doing more to detract from his accomplishment than me apologizing for his good fortune facetiously and egregiously.


Wut?
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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2015, 01:24:30 PM »
Yg, I think you were a 4 when I started participating in this forum.  I remember a long thread back then about somebody being hesitant to upgrade out of the 4s.  I don't think that person was you, though I'm sure whoever it was would probably be embarrassed to re-read the conversation now.  But I do sort of recall you saying that you didn't have any particular aspirations to continue upgrading.   


Isn't it funny how things change.  Step by step, hey I won a race, maybe I should be racing with the 3s, maybe I could actually get my 2 someday, maybe in 5 years I'll cobble together enough points to be a 1... and now here you are.


I bet it will be a relief to race without getting agitated about trying to remember how many of the guys up the road are 2s vs 3s, or trying to count the spots ahead of you in a field sprint and hoping it's less than whatever the magic number is for that field size, and so on.  I hope it's a lot of fun.  Congratulations.


For sure. I thought when I started I would just do a few races/year for fun. Took me 2 years to go 5->4, doing just that. In the 4s, it was moderately more competitive and I did maybe 14 races that year and won a big local race in a awesome 60-mile solo move. Upgraded to 3s and immediately broke a clavicle in my first 3s race.


Took that end of season off, and then another year of 13-15 races to get most of the points from 3->2. Changed teams to have guys to race with and pretty quickly got the points, upgraded to 2s at this time last year.


When I upgraded to 2s and was racing then only p12 I figured I was done with points. Literally never thought I'd get another top-10. Then in my first p12 race, a crazy-hard 108 mile slog in heat over terrible pavement, I finished 14th of ~50 or something. Discovered over the next 10-15 races that I could ride with the p12 fields, but I had a lot to learn. A TON to learn.


I started racing crits because the 1/2 crits were allegedly faster and more endurance-based than the rest/pop/rest/pop c4 and c3 crits. Struggled a lot in the first crits because of pack fear, handling, and just unfamiliarity. Jumped into the deep end, so to speak. Thankfully, in one of the first races I let the fear get the best of me and I just attacked. Was solo for like 10 laps, won "most aggressive racer" award, some primes, and figured out what I could do that would lead to success, even in short/easy crit races.


After that, I felt like I should be winning a lot. I know I'm stong, and I like to think I'm smart, so what's the problem, right? Well, I had no experience. I took 2nd to a guy, looked him up and he'd been c2 for 2 years when I bought my first bike as an adult. I started racing as much as I could, tempted by the "so close" feeling that I get when I don't do as well as I feel like I should. Rinse and repeat that for ~30 races as a c2 last year and probably ~25 as a 2 so far this year and what do you know... that experience gap is dwindling and I make fewer mistakes. I also am much better at riding my bike now in close quarters, where just about everything is decided.


I still can't win a sprint and have more 4-5-6th place finished than I do 1-2-3, but I won a 0-pt Districts RR, a p12 RR, this most recent c2 rr, and have a lot of 1-2-3pt results from losing break sprints. I can't sprint. I can't climb with the fastest, but I can hang-the-****-on with the best of them.


And when you're done hanging on and everyone lets up? Go again. TS gave the best racing advice ever in this forum: "don't go when it's easy, go when it's hard."

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Re: 2015 Race Results
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2015, 01:28:47 PM »
Cutting humor aside   
Where was the humor that we are to cut aside? You bad at interacting with people. Take a class.

Great job, fudgy, you're really doing well and without any training too!  :P