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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2015, 11:09:36 AM »
I think Vimeo is blocked at work...wont load for me

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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2015, 11:16:16 AM »
45 minutes at 350-500w and HR hovering around 150 bpm.

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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM »
I'm not a big fan of Froome, but that was damn impressive. I kept expecting him to fade and the others to start gaining but he really piled it on. Hopefully the Tour doesn't get boring after this.

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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2015, 11:18:55 AM »
impressive in a Lance extra-terrestrial way for sure.
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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2015, 11:23:11 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1033149476696091&id=213103522034028


Quote from: Science of Sport
The first rest day of the Tour de France produced, as usual, some off-the-bike stories, but in 6 years of covering the race, I can't recall such a bizarre sequence of events as this one.

About five days ago, Antoine Vayer, he who provoked Brailsford into calling performance analysis "pseudoscience", started to post graphs on Twitter showing Froome's power output and heart rate on his climb of Ventoux in 2013. They include an attack, off a base of long periods of 400W, up to 1000W, and maintaining 600W during attacks. During this period, his heart rate barely changes - 157 pre-attack, 161 post.

Next, someone industrious managed to take a file of the raw data and synchronize it to video footage of the ride, so that you could see, second by second, how speed, HR, altitude and power changed. It was fascinating to watch - in fact, it's a model for how the broadcast should look.

I'd love to provide you with the link to this video, but Sky's lawyers have had it removed, and the person who did this no longer has a Twitter account (whose doing, not sure - initial reports said it was legal action and suspended), which I find an absolutely extraordinary response. The data by itself didn't mean all that much, and if it was fabricated, just say so. Or heaven forbid, use the opportunity to explain and gain some points for the now extinct concept of transparency in the sport.

There are many possible explanations for the dislinkage between power output and HR, by the way. He may already have been very close to his maximal heart rate (but then you have to say, that's a mighty fine effort to ride Ventoux at 95% of max in the third week of a Grand Tour, and also to attack with a 250W increase off a maximum heart rate, four times, from a base of 400W. Not bad). Perhaps the HR was faulty, maybe it's irrelevant or typical for an elite rider attacking to peak power off threshold power. It's probably not worth overplaying.

The power output data is really interesting though - back then, we estimated the power on that climb to be 389W (or 388W using Dr Ferrari's method), and I can assure you, having seen the raw file with second-by-second data (it's doing the rounds), that the estimate is well, very exact. I'm hesitant to post exact figures because Sky's legal team had a person's entire account removed, even though this data is all on the internet already.

The response has been amazing. As in 2013, the data was first dismissed as fabricated. Then as hacked (which is a tacit acknowledgement of its validity). Or maybe irrelevant. The usual attacks that it proves nothing came, to which I'd respond by saying "welcome to a six-year long conversation, take a side-order of context with that indignation". Fact is, we've been here before, and it's the reaction more than the revelation that is so amazing.

While on the subject of power data, I cannot understand why teams believe they should keep it secret to the extent that Sky seem to. It is analogous to Justin Gatlin asking for the clock to be covered up for his 100m races - that way nobody will know that beating him will take a 9.74s or faster. But they know this already - all the pro teams know what the power output requirement for 10 min, 20 min, 45 min, 60 min is. Transparency would hurt nobody, except those who need performance not to be known (Hey Justin, that's a free tip - ask them to hide the clock so nobody knows how fast you're going).

Finally, back in 2013, it was a remarkable performance, and putting it to concrete numbers is probably unlikely to sway you from whatever you believed (or want to believe) to begin with. I wish the opaque curtain of PR & legal action could be lifted. Today was not a good day for winning the minds of a watching public, or for the believability of the sport.

Long live transparency.
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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2015, 12:06:01 PM »
Not being a Froome defender by any means, but I know that after back-to-back-to-back hard days I can't get my HR to move much at all, no matter what I do. It's not that much of a stretch to imagine a pro showing the same symptoms after nearly three weeks of racing.

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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2015, 04:18:25 PM »
Dude, you are delirious, I mean no disrespect, but for the love of god if you think Froome and Sky are clean... well you can't be serious.


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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2015, 05:23:29 PM »
Is there still a video of that? It doesn't work here
Challenge it because it is unreachable.

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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2015, 07:09:35 PM »
Perraud did quite the gore/flasher routine today.  No mystery where he stops shaving.

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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2015, 01:53:25 PM »
As much as I cannot stand Froome, someone apparently threw urine on him, that is absolutely disgusting and I hope that person gets prosecuted - http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-doused-with-urine-by-unruly-tour-de-france-spectator
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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2015, 10:29:54 AM »
Although I can understand the reasoning behind Trentin's move to break up the group, I think he went way way too early.  That group needed to stay together until close to the end in order to hold off the field.  Once Trentin and Hesjedal checked out, the group gave up.

Now a sprint finish with a tired Sagan and no Cav.  Bleh.
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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2015, 11:27:34 AM »
Here's the video that got removed: 
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Re: 2015 Tour De France (spoilers allowed here)
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2015, 03:20:28 PM »
Greipel is a monster.  Is it me or does Sagan wait to long?  He came flying up the right side, had he stated 5 seconds sooner he would have won.  He does this a lot.
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