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Everest Challenge 2011
« on: September 19, 2011, 06:26:04 PM »
Rather than keep going in the training status thread, I wanted to start a new thread to discuss EC in general as well as collect my thoughts about the new route and "rules"

I've cut up my data from last year to illustrate the new route. Ideally I'd splice it all back together but that sounds like more work than just riding it. So here it is*:

The first climb, formerly the last, is the long slog South Lake. The steep ramps at the end were a major ***** and having it near the beginning with fresher legs may be a nice change. Also, in the past there is always a "neutral" start, and I suspect that will be the first 3 miles from Mill Pond to the Ed Powers/168 intersection.

At South Lake (I wonder if we will go all the way to the upper parking lot like the finish?) we turn around and head back down the narrow and steep road to the lodge place, and then the relatively mellow rolling descent and the little kicker back to the 168. Last year, of course, it wasn't timed. It was always one I was glad wasn't timed, the top is kind of sketchy, and the rest is on a highway and always windy. Although I'm thinking earlier in the day it may not be as bad.

I don't have the segment from Ed Powers Road back to Mill Pond (the start) because the last few years I went straight back to Bishop
on the 168, but we will reverse the earlier 3 mile section from mill pond to the 168.

From Mill Pond, we head out to Round Valley for the second climb. This was part of the neutral section prior years, so the speed and effort are somewhat lower than they will probably be in the race.

Up and down Pine Creek is unchanged. It was and still is the second climb; what changes is the approach. We will have to make a left turn through that intersection coming AND going whereas last year we went though with right-turns all three times through. I suspect they will be anal about us coming to a COMPLETE stopping as well.

Finally we leave Round Valley and head out to and up Rock Creek. I suspect we will turn left on Round Valley Road and approach from that way (reversing the usual route to Pine Creek) instead continuing down Pine Creek Road, but I'm really not sure of the exact route. Either way it's a few miles of gradual downhill and then false flat until the real climbing starts in Paradise.

It's about 3.7 miles from Paradise to the extremely lame "neutralized" section of Lower Rock Creek from Swall Meadows to the 395 in Mono County

It's supposed to be single-file, NO PASSING, and it's going to be bottled up by slow tourists for the people actuallly racing. A new email (update #7) from the race director also implies there will be a 25mph speed limit which will make things even worse for the .7 mile descent.

I put all of this into Excel and turned the crank a few times, and it spit out 6.5 hours for ~88 miles assuming I did all of the same times as last year (which, for reference, took me 7 hours for 101 miles)

Also I wonder if the race director is taking into account the ~500 feet of total elevation gain we won't get by not returning down Rock Creek to Mill Pond. I know several years ago we had to change the route due roads closed by snow, and the [different] RD tacked on some annoyingly crappy extra bit to the second climb on the second day to make up for it.

* Note: You must be a strava member to be able to see the subsegment links I've created. Sorry.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2011, 06:46:21 PM by umd »
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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2011, 06:43:32 PM »
At least this time I'm relatively confident I'll finish the South Lake climb!

And the wind in the valley is from the South, so there won't be the headwinds on the flat section to deal with. I also think Rock Creek is more sheltered from the wind/sun than South Lake is, so that might be nice too.

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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2011, 08:04:28 PM »
500' added to Death Valley rd would take you about to the top of the pass.  You probably wouldn't have to go over the other side like that one time.

The reversed course is only 88 miles?  Are you not counting the "neutral" part? 

That part could play into the race... depends on what happens.  I bet that there will be passing, at least when there are no observers.  Unless they go so far as to record the order of racers entering and leaving the section.  Even then you could make up time to the next rider.  If that's the case and there's anyone around, expect a sprint to the start of the section.


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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2011, 08:25:39 PM »
I counted the full distance of all the sections from the start at Mill Pond to the top of Rock Creek. The latest email also says the race is 13 miles shorter, and from 101 that makes 88.
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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2011, 09:11:29 PM »
So for us East Coasters what's the rundown on the event?  One day, two days?  Total climbing and miles?

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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2011, 09:23:58 PM »
It's two days, cumulative climbing is the height of Mt everest (hence the name), 29k feet and change. It was 101 miles the first day and 65 the second but the changes appear to shorten the first day by 13 miles. This is because each day finishes at the top of the final climb, and the now final climb is further away from the start.
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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2011, 11:44:26 PM »
It would be funny if there put a cop on the LRC descent with a radar gun...

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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2011, 08:38:24 AM »
I am by no means a climber, but this sounds like a blast, I am jealous of you guys with real climbs.
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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 11:39:02 AM »
They are adding a few hundred feet of climbing on day two to maintain the total.


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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2011, 01:15:43 PM »
They are adding a few hundred feet of climbing on day two to maintain the total.

I figured they might. They did that the first year I did it, when Rock Creek above Tom's Place was closed due to snow. They added another climb on the other side of the 395 but it wasn't that long and they had to add a bunch to the second day. That year they also finished at Lake Sabrina instead of South Lake and it hailed on me several times during the final ascent up the 168.
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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2011, 01:36:27 PM »
It was snowing lightly when I finished that climb to Lake Sabrina.

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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2011, 03:25:51 PM »
Good luck to all you left coasters.

What kind of gearing do you run for this thing?  I think umd ran xx last year if I recall. 

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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2011, 04:40:25 PM »
Yeah good luck fellas, I'm jealous.

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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 07:34:42 PM »
I've used a 50/34 and 12-30 cassette.   The 34x30 is useful for the last part of each day (when run the normal direction) especially the second day.  The last 4 miles there climb something like 2000ft but it feels worse by that point.

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Re: Everest Challenge 2011
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2011, 07:37:58 PM »
Kill it umd and ygduf.