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Title: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 12, 2011, 11:36:33 PM
Masters today.

500yd WU

2 main sets, totalling 2000yds, unless I'm forgetting something

50yd cool down

Hot Tub!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: josh_schultz2 on January 13, 2011, 01:22:29 AM
WU 200 swim, 200 kick, 200 pull

pre-set 6x50  odd build, even fast/EZ
 
main set:
100 race pace +20
3x100 -5  (rest 1:00)
200 race pace +20
3x100 -5
300 race pace +20
3x100 -5
400 fast!

12 x50 +5 (2kick,1drill,1 swim)

WOW! got my ASS kicked!! what a workout
i'd be happy to explain the +20's and minus 5's for anyone that doesn't get it. just let me know!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 13, 2011, 08:12:22 AM
please explain the +20/-5 for igorant me.
 
I'm just trying to get my "lsd" swims in.  I am hiring a swim coach since my form sucks. (over 20yrs since I last swam)
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on January 13, 2011, 09:43:34 AM
Because someone may find this interesting, the main set for my alma mater was drop down shooters yesterday. Because the terminology used varies, shooters for us were 25s underwater w/ fins.


First one was on :50, second was on :49, third was :48, and continuing to drop the sendoff 1 second until you failed. Sounds like a bunch of guys were right around :20 when they stopped, and the "winners" made it down to :17.


I'm kind of jealous, a few of us really campaigned for this set the last 2 years before I graduated and we never did it.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: coasting on January 13, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
I'm thinking of going swimming tomorrow. That's as far as I have got.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 13, 2011, 02:48:04 PM
I'm thinking of going swimming tomorrow. That's as far as I have got.
I'll race you
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: coasting on January 13, 2011, 03:25:09 PM
I'll race you

i can't remember where i put my swimming shorts.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Velo Vol on January 14, 2011, 02:08:22 PM
Drowning.   :help:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: MidgetMaestro on January 14, 2011, 02:12:19 PM
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/diego_cervo/diego_cervo0608/diego_cervo060800022/501424.jpg)

There ya go.  ;D
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 14, 2011, 02:48:49 PM
please explain the +20/-5 for igorant me.
 
I'm just trying to get my "lsd" swims in.  I am hiring a swim coach since my form sucks. (over 20yrs since I last swam)

Meeting with a masters swim instructor on Tuesday night to analyze my stroke and give me initial advice.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 15, 2011, 12:39:54 PM
Well, at least I know that my rec center is taking care of their pool.  They closed it down today after some kid "soiled" it during open swim last night. :(   
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on January 15, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Well, at least I know that my rec center is taking care of their pool.  They closed it down today after some kid "soiled" it during open swim last night. :(

The book on that is scoop it out, turn up the chlorine, wait a half hour, and reopen. Sounds excessive to me.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 15, 2011, 02:06:35 PM
they said it was "real bad"
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on January 15, 2011, 02:13:01 PM
they said it was "real bad"

Glad I wasn't lifeguarding at the time.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on January 18, 2011, 04:45:29 PM
Swimming tonight. Plan is to just see how far I can go in 25 minutes. I want to gauge my endurance. It will be piss-poor, I'm sure  :(
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 18, 2011, 04:56:11 PM
1st meeting with a swim instructor tonight at 7:30.   :help:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: EDR on January 18, 2011, 06:27:03 PM
Upped my 5min power by 17w this morning...did it on second 5min interval. All three were above my 28 day best.  I'm still down about 25w from my peak though.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on January 18, 2011, 06:31:18 PM
You swim EDR?
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: EDR on January 18, 2011, 06:44:15 PM
I meant to click the training status...I know how to swim but no I don't swim...sorry nothing see here..move along...
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on January 18, 2011, 06:46:49 PM
I meant to click the training status...I know how to swim but no I don't swim...sorry nothing see here..move along...

 :shh:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 18, 2011, 09:16:14 PM
How did it go Jen?

The coach I met with told me I was not as bad as I thought. I'm just too tight so I'm fighting myself. She told me to just keep swimming and gave me a few tips. She is a triathelete and said she will just keep an eye on me if I will motivate her on the bike. No problem!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on January 18, 2011, 09:28:32 PM
Swimming tonight. Plan is to just see how far I can go in 25 minutes. I want to gauge my endurance. It will be piss-poor, I'm sure  :(

I'm setting your goal. 800 yards. Sounds reasonable to me, since my best T20 (swimming equivalent of a 20 minute interval was somewhere around 1750 or 1800.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on January 18, 2011, 09:37:49 PM
I did 500 yards in about 18 minutes or so (with pausing). I didn't see the goal in time  :(
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 20, 2011, 01:41:20 PM
Back to the pool this afternoon once my chores are done.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on January 20, 2011, 01:43:57 PM
I'll be swimming tonight too. I ate a big nasty lunch so it might be a bit later...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: truckstop on January 20, 2011, 01:50:23 PM
I'm thinking of going swimming tonight. That's as far as I have got.

Fixed for me.

Contemplating the idea again of participating in some sprints since I'll be at the events anyway. I can walk the run. Figure I can possibly complete the sprint distance in the time it takes Mr. TS to do the oly distance at events that run both at the same time.

I'm guessing this will go about like how it does every time I start swimming: go to pool, suck, but have fun. Next day: Excruciating back pain, never go back to the pool.  :(
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 20, 2011, 01:53:50 PM

I'm guessing this will go about like how it does every time I start swimming: go to pool, suck, but have fun. Next day: Excruciating back pain, never go back to the pool.  :(


OK this is something I know about (after my Tues night with an instructor).  You are probably too tight and twisting at the waist when you are breathing.  Relax, think about having a grapefruit under your chin when swimming (to prevent the neck twist or neck extension), and allow your entire body to turn with each stroke.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: truckstop on January 20, 2011, 02:25:19 PM
Wait, didn't I hand out the grapefruit advice somewhere?  :lol:

I will think about this if I go. I always thought it was from the extension of the lower back that sort of naturally happens.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 20, 2011, 03:05:15 PM
that was you?   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 20, 2011, 08:31:29 PM
Wait, didn't I hand out the grapefruit advice somewhere?  :lol:

I will think about this if I go. I always thought it was from the extension of the lower back that sort of naturally happens.

You may be arching to breathe, and breathing too forward.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 20, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
I find that I start breathing forward like that as I fatigue
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 22, 2011, 01:15:52 AM
I escaped from prison work and swam at lunch today. I did 1500yd, most of it IM. I hate it, but butterfly makes me work harder, 'cause I suck at it. I got to work on my tan too.

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Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on January 22, 2011, 07:19:25 PM
I swam 750m today (not continuously). While it's surely not impressive, towards the end of my swim, something... clicked. For the first time this training season, I was able to swim 100m continuously, and think I could have even done more  :thumbsup:

Looking forward to finally getting better at this stuff!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 23, 2011, 03:43:45 AM
I'm guessing this will go about like how it does every time I start swimming: go to pool, suck, but have fun. Next day: Excruciating back pain, never go back to the pool.  :(

Pain, or muscle soreness? Because you mentioned the lower back and arching, this could be lack of core strength and sore muscles from that if it's soreness. If it's pain, I think you may be arching too much.
Either way, your lower back muscles may be lacking, and you can try this excersize, either on a ball like in the video, or hugging a padded bench. http://www.ehow.co.uk/video_4957693_lower-leg-lift-fitness-ball.html (http://www.ehow.co.uk/video_4957693_lower-leg-lift-fitness-ball.html)
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 23, 2011, 04:01:54 AM
I swam 750m today (not continuously). While it's surely not impressive, towards the end of my swim, something... clicked. For the first time this training season, I was able to swim 100m continuously, and think I could have even done more  :thumbsup:

Looking forward to finally getting better at this stuff!

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Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on January 23, 2011, 09:39:08 PM
I haven't swam since September.  Our swim group starts up in another few weeks though, so it should come back quick enough. 
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: truckstop on January 24, 2011, 11:35:56 AM

Pain, or muscle soreness? Because you mentioned the lower back and arching, this could be lack of core strength and sore muscles from that if it's soreness. If it's pain, I think you may be arching too much.
Either way, your lower back muscles may be lacking, and you can try this excersize, either on a ball like in the video, or hugging a padded bench. http://www.ehow.co.uk/video_4957693_lower-leg-lift-fitness-ball.html (http://www.ehow.co.uk/video_4957693_lower-leg-lift-fitness-ball.html)

I do have a weak core, but I also have two herniated/degenerating disks. (L4/L5 & L5/S1)
It doesn't hurt a lot while swimming, but I'll start to get some pain when I rest, and then the next day, pain.

I can't do things like the Cobra pose in yoga, or sleep on my stomach, because that extension/arching irritates it too much. I would have to be really careful with that leg lift. (And by "careful" I mean I should probably be doing them, maybe one leg at a time, and not many at first. I have a history of core workouts putting me on the floor in the fetal position the following morning in tears because the pain is so bad. It's a catch 22 for me. I don't do core work because it makes my back hurt, but my back hurts because I should do more core work.)
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 24, 2011, 04:48:50 PM
2000yds total today ;D


(of course I did rest a little, but it only took me 1hr total)
800 free
100 breast
100kick
400 free
100 kick
200 free
100 breast
50 free
50 kick
100 free
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on January 24, 2011, 06:03:40 PM
That's one hell of a workout. Time for Jen to get on it.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 24, 2011, 06:14:18 PM
That's one hell of a workout. Time for Jen to get on it.


it really isn't (compared with what real swimmers do)


Look at kuf's workout.  She does 1500 IM !! 
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on January 24, 2011, 08:48:37 PM
That's one hell of a workout. Time for Jen to get on it.

Yeah, tell me about it.

I did an hour on the spin bike, and then swam 150m. I started getting oddly light-headed, so I got out. This happened to me the last time I spun before swimming, so I think for the time being I'm going to stick to swimming as either a solo workout and swimming + something after, not before.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on January 24, 2011, 11:33:06 PM

it really isn't (compared with what real swimmers do)


Look at kuf's workout.  She does 1500 IM !!


Our florida workouts sucked. Peak daily yardage for the mid distance group would be somewhere around 14000 or 16000, more for distance, and we were a relatively low yardage program.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 25, 2011, 01:54:02 AM

Our florida workouts sucked. Peak daily yardage for the mid distance group would be somewhere around 14000 or 16000, more for distance, and we were a relatively low yardage program.

How many hours did you guys swim?? I'd end up as a big pink raisin.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on January 25, 2011, 09:02:47 PM
How many hours did you guys swim?? I'd end up as a big pink raisin.


2 2 hour practices a day. Usually something like 8-10 and 4-6, which were considered prime times. There were a metric s***-ton of teams down there for winter training, it was kinda fun to hit on other teams' girls in the hotel/on the beach.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 28, 2011, 12:12:25 AM
Swam yesterday. 2500yds, with 4x200 IMs
 
Swam today. 2000yds with lots more IM work, including reverse IM, which are just weird and harder, b/c the hardest for me, butterfly, is at the end.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 28, 2011, 07:40:26 AM
Swam yesterday. 2500yds, with 4x200 IMs
 
Swam today. 2000yds with lots more IM work, including reverse IM, which are just weird and harder, b/c the hardest for me, butterfly, is at the end.

kuf, are you still competing in swimming?  or just tri's? 
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 29, 2011, 01:25:09 AM

kuf, are you still competing in swimming?  or just tri's?

Huh, my reply from earlier seems to have disappeared.

The workouts are usually during masters swimming. If my breaststroke times drop a bit closer to what they used to be, it would be fun to try some masters meets.

I do open water races / events. The longest was a 5 mile point to point along the coast. The coldest was 3 miles in 59 degrees with no wetsuit. Brrr! The usual distance is 1K in a weekly race from May to September. There is also a 5K uphill/downhill run you can do right after to make it an aquathon. umd made some videos of the event. Go to YouTube, search sweixel, and look for Nite Moves videos.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on January 29, 2011, 11:43:33 AM
Huh, my reply from earlier seems to have disappeared.

The workouts are usually during masters swimming. If my breaststroke times drop a bit closer to what they used to be, it would be fun to try some masters meets.

I do open water races / events. The longest was a 5 mile point to point along the coast. The coldest was 3 miles in 59 degrees with no wetsuit. Brrr! The usual distance is 1K in a weekly race from May to September. There is also a 5K uphill/downhill run you can do right after to make it an aquathon. umd made some videos of the event. Go to YouTube, search sweixel, and look for Nite Moves videos.


What was your 1 breast pr, if you don't mind me asking. And did you ever do a 2 breast?
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 29, 2011, 03:09:54 PM

What was your 1 breast pr, if you don't mind me asking. And did you ever do a 2 breast?

My 50yd time was 36. I remember I was on the A relay team for 200 IM. I don't remember my 100yd times. I just know it wasn't fast enough to qualify for state :p. Maybe 1:18? That's a complete guess. I made finals at our big league meet though. Didn't win :p

I swim breaststroke with a completely different style now than what I did. I swam it Penny Heynes style before, hands below water. I'm playing with an Amanda Beard style, hands breaking the surface, rhythmic, hollow back, etc. I think I could have gone faster in high school with this style. The coaches helped others on the team with form, but never me (they were doing the other style
 that I didn't know how to do). Dunno why. I guess they didn't want to mess with a safe bet.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 29, 2011, 03:14:19 PM
I always wondered about one of the coaches that seemed to help one of the other girls a lot. They did dryland work on a swim simulator thing. He was in his 20s, and she was 16. I thought maybe he 'liked' her so wanted to help her and not me. It's more creepy thinking about it when you're older.

Like, did he touch her inappropriately and things like that.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on January 29, 2011, 04:21:52 PM
1000m today.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 29, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
I always wondered about one of the coaches that seemed to help one of the other girls a lot. They did dryland work on a swim simulator thing. He was in his 20s, and she was 16. I thought maybe he 'liked' her so wanted to help her and not me. It's more creepy thinking about it when you're older.

Like, did he touch her inappropriately and things like that.


ick


but there was a lot of that in swimming.  that bust of multiple swim coaches last year was disturbing
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on January 29, 2011, 04:35:56 PM
I swam
100m
50m
250m
300m
150m
150m
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on January 29, 2011, 04:53:44 PM
My 50yd time was 36. I remember I was on the A relay team for 200 IM. I don't remember my 100yd times. I just know it wasn't fast enough to qualify for state :p. Maybe 1:18? That's a complete guess. I made finals at our big league meet though. Didn't win :p

I swim breaststroke with a completely different style now than what I did. I swam it Penny Heynes style before, hands below water. I'm playing with an Amanda Beard style, hands breaking the surface, rhythmic, hollow back, etc. I think I could have gone faster in high school with this style. The coaches helped others on the team with form, but never me (they were doing the other style
 that I didn't know how to do). Dunno why. I guess they didn't want to mess with a safe bet.


Breaststroke is weird. There's way more natural variety in the fastest way for an individual to swim it than there is in the other strokes. Some things hold true across everyone, but some things are very individual in breast.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on January 29, 2011, 06:45:19 PM

Breaststroke is weird. There's way more natural variety in the fastest way for an individual to swim it than there is in the other strokes. Some things hold true across everyone, but some things are very individual in breast.

yeah, but it was annoying when my times hardly changed through high school and it seemed like everyone else who was getting technique help was getting times closer and closer to my times. It's like, can't we try this on me too?
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on February 01, 2011, 01:42:30 AM
Masters swimming tonight
left work late, arrived late, joined in set
200yd pull
500yd free
1x 100yd fast
2x 50yd fast
4x 25yd fast
2x 100yd fast
4x 50yd fast
4x 25yd fast
50yd cool down
50yd kick
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on February 01, 2011, 04:49:26 AM
1200 yds at an easy pace after work yesterday.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on February 03, 2011, 01:45:31 AM
Masters at Lunch
500 warm up
8x100yd (free/back)
200 pull
4x50 IM order
100yd kick
cool down
 
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on February 05, 2011, 03:10:06 PM
2x100 warm-up
200
2x100
50 cool-down

My arms quit on me today.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on February 16, 2011, 05:36:10 PM
1650yds in 32 min   
Combo free and then breast/side when I got sob. First time back in the pool in 2 wks  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on February 18, 2011, 11:47:59 PM
Got a chance to go swimming. Been busy with taxes.
2100yds:
 
200 free
200 pull
100 kick
200 free
100 pull
100 pull
4x50 IM order
8x25 IM order
200 free
100 pull
100 pull
4x50 IM order
8x25 IM order
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on February 19, 2011, 09:49:14 AM
what is pull, free with no kick?
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on February 20, 2011, 03:48:10 AM
what is pull, free with no kick?

Yeah, unless otherwise specified it's freestyle with no kick (any stroke can be done pulling). You put a pull buoy between your legs so they float. You can also get hand paddles for more resistance.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on February 20, 2011, 08:59:29 AM
Went and watched a 3-day swim meet. Well, I watched finals all 3 days. I only made it down to prelims on saturday. It was awesome, both sides won. That makes 7 in a row for guys. And I got to see a bunch of people I miss a ton.


Great weekend.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on February 26, 2011, 03:28:20 PM
1800yds swim this morning.  Mix of free and breast.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on March 02, 2011, 09:44:02 PM
Swam 2550 yards tonight.  First time I've swam since September.

300 warm up
6x50 stroke drills
3x (200/100/100/50/50)
300 kick
150 cool down

My arms are mush.  I felt fine in the warmup and figured I'd be okay.  That first 200 took away any illusion that I may have had left about maintaining some form.  Once I got tired my stroke fell apart.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 09, 2011, 07:48:55 PM
Today at the pool I did,
2 sets with kickboard out front in both hands
1 set with kickboard one armed and on side just kicking (I don't get the point of that one, but since I don't know what I'm doing, I will do as I'm told)
2 sets with kickboard one armed on front and right arm free style, or left arm free style practicing breathing
1 set with the hand paddles and no buoy between my legs
3 sets with the hand paddles and buoy between my legs
3 sets freestyle
By set I mean down and back for total of 50 yards.
A few times I noticed I had figured out a rhythm almost but then I think that I messed it up by thinking about it. I think I was better today, I only had to stop because I inhaled water about 5 times.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on March 09, 2011, 08:07:07 PM
If your shoulders start bugging you I'd cut out the one arm on a kickboard stuff. Or kickboards in general, they're bad for your shoulders and cause your hips to sink, so you're really better off kicking without them.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on March 09, 2011, 08:43:40 PM
Today at the pool I did,
2 sets with kickboard out front in both hands
1 set with kickboard one armed and on side just kicking (I don't get the point of that one, but since I don't know what I'm doing, I will do as I'm told)
2 sets with kickboard one armed on front and right arm free style, or left arm free style practicing breathing
1 set with the hand paddles and no buoy between my legs
3 sets with the hand paddles and buoy between my legs
3 sets freestyle
By set I mean down and back for total of 50 yards.
A few times I noticed I had figured out a rhythm almost but then I think that I messed it up by thinking about it. I think I was better today, I only had to stop because I inhaled water about 5 times.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 10, 2011, 07:18:09 PM
Pretty much the same as yesterday.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 10, 2011, 07:22:05 PM
If your shoulders start bugging you I'd cut out the one arm on a kickboard stuff. Or kickboards in general, they're bad for your shoulders and cause your hips to sink, so you're really better off kicking without them.

She has me doing them to practice my breathing I think. But, she also stressed how I needed to keep my hips up, and asked if I had any problems with my shoulders.  I have some fins and stuff ordered from swim outlet, I'll use it with the kickboard when it gets in. I tried using her fins and they really worked my core. I'll be sure to pay attention to my shoulders though.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 12, 2011, 06:53:45 PM
6 sets of the one arm with kickboard
6 sets with hand paddles and buoy
6 sets freestyle
Still choking myself. The really cool thing today was the burping???
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 14, 2011, 03:42:39 PM
1800yards of various things, including random burps, coughs, and choking.
 
Felt good.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: LAJ on March 14, 2011, 04:02:36 PM
1800yards of various things, including random burps, coughs, and choking.
 
Felt good.




Tell me you didn't go shopping with Razor.....
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 14, 2011, 11:49:33 PM



Tell me you didn't go shopping with Razor.....

uhm, NO! I don't know what this is in ref to either. I must have missed that thread.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 16, 2011, 06:02:27 PM
Got the the pool late, only had time for 16 sets.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on March 18, 2011, 02:40:41 AM
I escaped my hectic working schedule and got some swimming in.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 18, 2011, 04:04:07 AM
I escaped my hectic working schedule and got some swimming in.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 24, 2011, 04:23:05 PM
The lady that has been coaching me on swimming is moving away.... :(
 
So I talked with a new person, I sent an email last night, and no response yet.  :banghead:
 
I know it hasn't been even 24 hours yet, but I'm  :banghead: . I've probably checked my email like 20 times today.
 
I hope this person works out, he is also with a local company that does training plans for stuff. I thought it would be a good idea to try them out this way first before taking the next bigger step.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on March 24, 2011, 07:35:43 PM
Swam for 20:00 today, didn't keep track of distance. Felt pretty good, definitely seems easier with my improved fitness. It still sucked.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 26, 2011, 04:32:51 PM
1hr 30min of laps
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on March 27, 2011, 09:07:25 PM
Did a swim clinic tonight (and next Sunday) with a woman that coaches technique up at American U.  She coached the person that just won the 500 free NCAA championship, so apparently she's pretty good.  Maybe I'll get faster.

I was looking too far up/forward, not straight down, for one.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on March 28, 2011, 04:07:19 PM
Did a swim clinic tonight (and next Sunday) with a woman that coaches technique up at American U.  She coached the person that just won the 500 free NCAA championship, so apparently she's pretty good.  Maybe I'll get faster.

I was looking too far up/forward, not straight down, for one.


Common.


Since this thread got bumped, we can all mourn the end of the longest winning streak in sports. The Kenyon Lords failed to win D3 swimming national championships this year.






























































For the first time in thirty (30) years.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 28, 2011, 04:39:07 PM
was that your school?
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on March 28, 2011, 07:31:50 PM
was that your school?


No. I wasn't fast enough to swim there. We swam against them though. Even won a few races here and there. Most discouraging race I ever swam was at their pool, I was thrown into the 1000 in dual meets my freshman year even though it wasn't one of my better events because we only had one distance guy, and I was the best guy not already tied up in 3 other events (I was only really good enough at fly to be competitive). I finished :40+ seconds down on my teammate. I think he finished 1:00+ down on their slowest guy. I was just swimming watching people pass me just about every time I breathed.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on March 30, 2011, 09:45:29 PM
Had a crazy day at work but still managed to put in 1100y afterwards. Also did some leg presses, curls, extensions, hip adductions/abductions, calf presses, hanging sit-ups, and back presses. Feelin good!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on March 30, 2011, 10:05:53 PM
Very nice, Jen  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on April 02, 2011, 01:36:32 PM
First time back into the pool in 5-6 weeks today.


1250yds-all free


Was not as bad as I expected.  Met a couple who are triathletes  who are my age and speed on the bike.  Finally some people to ride with on the weekends. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on April 02, 2011, 10:33:09 PM
First time back into the pool in 5-6 weeks today.


1250yds-all free


 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on April 03, 2011, 09:01:46 PM
Just got back from the 2nd day of a two day clinic (other was last Sunday).  Wednesday I was taking 18 strokes per 25.  At the end of the night I was taking 13 strokes.  I'll have to see how that translates tomorrow when I do an actual workout.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on April 09, 2011, 03:11:22 PM
1650 yd swim today


broken down like this
3x200 free
200 breast
3x 200 free
200 breast
50 free sprint (well, my sorry excuse for a sprint)
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on April 19, 2011, 01:22:34 PM
Swimming is stupid.   :banghead:
 
That is all.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on April 19, 2011, 01:42:37 PM
Swimming is stupid.   :banghead:
 
That is all.

did you get that link from ijen? or do you have something like it? I'm going to start trying it.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on April 19, 2011, 02:12:31 PM
what link? :/
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on April 19, 2011, 02:17:54 PM
what link? :/

It's  a secret, so don't let anybody else have it.

http://ruthkazez.com/SwimWorkouts/ZeroTo1mile.html

I'm glad ijen shared it, I hadn't really thought about the consistent distance thing yet.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on April 19, 2011, 06:52:12 PM
I'm using the home pool tonight, since I'm going to try some of these TI drills and don't want to look like a total ass at the Y pool.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on April 22, 2011, 05:14:16 PM
I just achieved a milestone! After warming up I swam thirty minutescontinuous, felt good and only stopped because it was time for the pool to close for the safety break. I'm very happy about this! :dancinginlockerroom:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on April 22, 2011, 09:29:48 PM
I just achieved a milestone! After warming up I swam thirty minutescontinuous, felt good and only stopped because it was time for the pool to close for the safety break. I'm very happy about this! :dancinginlockerroom:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: kuf on April 27, 2011, 11:00:31 PM
I think my wetsuit shrunk over the winter
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on April 28, 2011, 12:54:52 AM
I think my wetsuit shrunk over the winter

I hate it when that happens!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on April 30, 2011, 10:53:34 AM
Swim is certainly getting better.  I am really looking forward to my first try swimming with the wetsuit.  I saw a guy today at the pool who's stroke is very similar to mine.  Looked kinda ugly.  I saw him 3 weeks ago swimming in his wetsuit and he looked smooth as silk.  (his legs sink just like mine)
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on April 30, 2011, 12:17:08 PM
Swim is certainly getting better.  I am really looking forward to my first try swimming with the wetsuit.  I saw a guy today at the pool who's stroke is very similar to mine.  Looked kinda ugly.  I saw him 3 weeks ago swimming in his wetsuit and he looked smooth as silk.  (his legs sink just like mine)

It's because your massive awesome gawd guads are so heavy!!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on May 04, 2011, 08:18:14 PM
Swam tonight, felt good.

200
4X100
4X50
4X25
200
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on May 04, 2011, 08:57:37 PM
SCY

600 warm up (400 swim, 200 pull)
4x50 drill/swim
4x50 kick/swim
6x25
6x50
6x100
6x50
6x25
300 cool down

2800 total
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on May 06, 2011, 12:53:23 AM
I went to the community college pool today, it was nice. Tomorrow morning they will have it open up to 50yards, I'm going to get a small swim in when I get off work.

I need to pay attention to my elbows..... I see fingertip drills in my future.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on May 06, 2011, 04:39:45 PM
I went to the community college pool today, it was nice. Tomorrow morning they will have it open up to 50yards, I'm going to get a small swim in when I get off work.

I need to pay attention to my elbows..... I see fingertip drills in my future.


fist drills ;)
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on May 09, 2011, 11:42:55 PM
I swam somewhere around 1400m tonight. It's finally clicking.

Except I'm slow  :facepalm:

I did a few 25m sprints. That's really fun. I like.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on May 10, 2011, 12:15:42 AM
My swimming time has been going up the last few days, I have a long swim day tomorrow, I think I will push through that and then take a few days off from it.  :(
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on May 10, 2011, 07:48:21 AM
Probably only swam 1000yard or so last night, but spent a lot of time on technique.  Finally forcing myself to bi-lateral breathe.  I usually do it for the 25/25 swim/drill parts of a workout but give up after nearly drowning halfway.  Forced myself to work on it though, and it wasn't too bad!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on May 10, 2011, 07:49:47 AM
Probably only swam 1000yard or so last night, but spent a lot of time on technique.  Finally forcing myself to bi-lateral breathe.  I usually do it for the 25/25 swim/drill parts of a workout but give up after nearly drowning halfway.  Forced myself to work on it though, and it wasn't too bad!

I have the same problem.  I now work on 25 breath R, 25 breath L throughout my entire swim. 
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on May 10, 2011, 09:57:51 AM

I have the same problem.  I now work on 25 breath R, 25 breath L throughout my entire swim.

I was surprised how easy it was once I stuck with it.  Usually I would just swim most of the length and say screw it and go back to normal.  All it took was about 200-300 yards before I was getting into a decent groove.  Facepalm for me for putting it off so long.  Probably the same thing I need to do with stupid flip turns.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on May 10, 2011, 10:05:26 AM
everytime i try a flip turn or some version of, i get water up my nose
 
i don't know what i'm doing wrong
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on May 10, 2011, 10:35:22 AM
everytime i try a flip turn or some version of, i get water up my nose
 
i don't know what i'm doing wrong

You are looking up.  Keep your head down and trust that you are in the right place.  I know how to do them, but don't because the push off is too efficient.  I'm not doing any indoor swim events so I am preferring to just work on my stroke.  If I ever do any indoor races (masters) or indoor tri's, then I will work on flipturns again.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on May 10, 2011, 02:26:07 PM
Don't do flip turns.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on May 10, 2011, 03:06:02 PM
Don't do flip turns.

Or what?  Is this a threat?  I'm onto you.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on May 10, 2011, 03:30:19 PM
I'm not swimming tonight.  :(
 
I just checked my arms have been tired for a few days now, it's probably because I did the extra long swim on friday morning. I should have skipped at least one swim after that, and I didn't.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on May 10, 2011, 05:48:41 PM

I have the same problem.  I now work on 25 breath R, 25 breath L throughout my entire swim.


One arm drills. Nonworking arm at your side. They'll teach you to kick as well
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on May 12, 2011, 01:53:43 PM

One arm drills. Nonworking arm at your side. They'll teach you to kick as well


You are right about that  :banghead:
400 warm up
10x25 (five each side) one arm drills as above
4x100 pull
100 cool down.


those one arm drills hurt, but my breathing and kick were much better afterwards :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on May 12, 2011, 03:24:44 PM
Tried to swim in the Atlantic today - it was a red flag day and the waves were so big I couldn't even get our far enough to swim. Almost drowned and called it a day.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on May 12, 2011, 08:27:30 PM
Tried to swim in the Atlantic today - it was a red flag day and the waves were so big I couldn't even get our far enough to swim. Almost drowned and called it a day.

Damn. Sounds like an epic board day.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on May 12, 2011, 09:44:06 PM
Damn. Sounds like an epic board day.

Yep. The only people out were me and surfers.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on May 12, 2011, 10:05:04 PM
Yep. The only people out were me and surfers.

*cough* ahem *cough*
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on May 12, 2011, 10:09:41 PM
What do you have against surfers, makel?
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on May 12, 2011, 11:18:49 PM
What do you have against surfers, makel?

i have nothing against surfers... i'm waiting on the ijen hottie surfer report
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on May 13, 2011, 07:59:43 AM
oh.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on May 28, 2011, 01:04:41 PM
My swim finally clicked today. 2500yds in 50 min. Included were 750 pull and 3x 50 of quel's one armed drills.  I am tired now but was not when I finished
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on May 28, 2011, 05:00:04 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on June 17, 2011, 11:13:31 AM
under water schwaggle deal (http://schwaggle.active.com/bay-area?cmp=24-4-61190-2)
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on June 17, 2011, 11:13:27 PM
I dipped out of work around 3, swam, and went back to work. It was enjoyable.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on June 24, 2011, 10:58:54 AM
Found a local gym and overpaid for a 3 day pass while visiting my dad in the hospital. Swam 1500 yds when the cold that I thought was gone reemerged (I think my sinuses just emptied) and I started coughing and sneezing. Not cool to everyone else so I left.   Spin class tomorrow and swim sunday
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on July 06, 2011, 07:58:21 PM
1850y today. Whew!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on July 07, 2011, 01:13:04 AM
My swim coach has me on a 3500 workout, I only make it to about 3100 and then I poop out. It's not helping that I always run or ride before I swim. The most beneficial/hated part are the 4 sets of 4 X 50's. :) I always feel like I'm drowning on the last 15 yards, she says I'm doing right.  :P
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on July 07, 2011, 07:52:48 AM
I like your coach.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on July 07, 2011, 05:37:44 PM
Now I see why wens is always disparaging wetsuits. I Swam With mine for the first time today to make sure it fit. I swam 800yds in 15 min and was not tired (5 min faster than my normal)

Then I took it off and swam another 1600

Tired
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on July 07, 2011, 09:17:06 PM
Now I see why wens is always disparaging wetsuits. I Swam With mine for the first time today to make sure it fit. I swam 800yds in 15 min and was not tired (5 min faster than my normal)

Then I took it off and swam another 1600

Tired


The worst part of wetsuits is that the magnitude of improvement isn't consistent, if you have better position you get less benefit from a wetsuit since you're already riding higher and in a more streamlined position.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on July 07, 2011, 09:42:53 PM
My swim coach has me on a 3500 workout, I only make it to about 3100 and then I poop out. It's not helping that I always run or ride before I swim. The most beneficial/hated part are the 4 sets of 4 X 50's. :) I always feel like I'm drowning on the last 15 yards, she says I'm doing right.  :P

3500 for a half-Ironman? That seems like extreme overkill.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on July 08, 2011, 12:34:21 AM
No, sounds about right.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on July 08, 2011, 01:07:04 PM
3500 for a half-Ironman? That seems like extreme overkill.

If you are doing the race to finish, then you are right.
 
If you want to be competetive, you want to train for close to twice the distance you are going to compete in.  You don't want to be super tired at the conclusion of the swim do you?
 
I swim anywhere from 1600 to 3000 yds at this point.  And I feel that I still have a long way to go.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on July 08, 2011, 04:43:53 PM

If you are doing the race to finish, then you are right.
 
If you want to be competetive, you want to train for close to twice the distance you are going to compete in.  You don't want to be super tired at the conclusion of the swim do you?
 
I swim anywhere from 1600 to 3000 yds at this point.  And I feel that I still have a long way to go.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on July 08, 2011, 04:54:39 PM
I'm old school, and I don't swim competitively, but I have always subscribed to the theory that you should train longer and harder than your longest and hardest race. That's not always possible, but you should try. That's why I train with Cat1's half my age whenever I can. They beat the piss out of me. I also ride to and from club rides that can be up to 65-80 miles, making it 80-100 miles for the day, even though my longest races are in the 60 mile range. So I guess overkill is how you perceive it.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on July 08, 2011, 08:04:00 PM
I guess it depends.

For run training, it's rare to see a "training" run that's over the prescribed distance when you're looking at a mary or half-mary. The philosophy I commonly see is that the time it takes to do long-distance stuff could be better used doing shorter workouts of different intensity. Even in Ironman distance training, I rarely see swims over an hour or runs past 22 miles.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on July 09, 2011, 12:41:31 AM
different strokes for different folks
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on July 09, 2011, 04:03:06 PM
I guess it depends.

For run training, it's rare to see a "training" run that's over the prescribed distance when you're looking at a mary or half-mary. The philosophy I commonly see is that the time it takes to do long-distance stuff could be better used doing shorter workouts of different intensity. Even in Ironman distance training, I rarely see swims over an hour or runs past 22 miles.


There is a physiologic reason for that.  Running is very different from cycling or swimming.  The difference is what ground reaction force does to your tendons and the insertion of the tendon on bone.  People used to train for marathons by running longer distances, and they all ended  up with overuse injuries of their legs, usually stress fractures of their tibia or in their feet.  Those injuries could be avoided by limiting distance and concentrating on speed work.  Swimming is different since stress fractures are virtually unheard of.  Time is not a big issue either since you spend the least amount of time on the swim.  I swam today, and including one-armed drills (6x5 each side-600yds total) finished my 2200yds in 50 min.  Not a long workout by any stretch, but the total length of the 1/2 IM swim.


And riding 56miles is nothing.  Most people who do full or 1/2 IMs do at least one long ride a week.  The people I know who do 1/2s try to keep their weekend ride to 75miles or so, the people doing fulls ride for at about 125miles each weekend. 


Then the speed work (intervals/hills etc) is for after or before work.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on July 09, 2011, 06:28:58 PM
Time is not a big issue either since you spend the least amount of time on the swim.

That's why I don't devote as much time putting in huge amounts of yards. Even a big payoff in training is still small over-all in the race.

1900 today:
300w/u
8x25 drills
3x200 threshold intervals
6x50 sprints
8x25 kick
300c/d

Kick drills seem silly.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on August 06, 2011, 12:00:04 PM
3200yds today.  Longest swim yet. 1 hr 15 min. Did my fastest 1000 today (non wetsuit that is) 19min. The rest of the swim was a variety of drills. 5x100, 800 pull, 10x50 one arm, and 200 warm up/ cool down

I am beat


Edit:  Jen, I agree that kick drills are silly.  So I don't do them
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on August 06, 2011, 02:39:54 PM
Good job RU!!
 
 
 
I'm told to do kick drills, I do kick drills.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on October 12, 2011, 10:12:16 PM
Joined a masters group so I'd swim over the winter.  Trying to use the time to really improve on that leg.

3200 LCM tonight.  Toasted, since it's probably as long as the two biggest swim workouts I've done in the last 3 months combined (that's how much I've been slacking).  But actually felt pretty comfortable in the water for the first time in awhile.

300 warm up.
3x100 50drill/50swim.
4x(200,200,50drill, 50 swim). 10 seconds rest after the 50s, decreasing rest on the 200s, starting with 30s.
10x50 alternating 25kick/25swim, 50 swim
100 cool down (should have been an extra 100 cool down but I was out of time)

Did all the drill stuff as 1 arm.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on November 02, 2011, 10:42:03 AM
I bought a swimcap.

Things are getting serious.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on November 02, 2011, 10:44:31 AM
I bought a swimcap.

Things are getting serious.

Does it have flowers on it?

I like daisies.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on November 02, 2011, 11:03:50 AM
Does it have flowers on it?

I like daisies.

Sadly not, they were sold out of flowers swimcaps.  :(
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on November 03, 2011, 04:13:27 PM
I get my swimcaps for free now.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on November 03, 2011, 08:33:13 PM
Did you get your pro card?
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on November 03, 2011, 11:11:59 PM
Did you get your pro card?

They give me the special bright colored ones. Cause I'm such an awesome swimmer.




It might or might not be due to the fact that I still look like I'm going to drown.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on November 04, 2011, 06:59:30 PM
QUICK!  someone! Cut my arms! They hurts!!! Did 500meters or 20x25meter or in imperial :546.806649 yard

No one  told me it was going to be painful  :(   swam for only 30 minutes but it was enough for today.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on November 04, 2011, 09:52:08 PM
QUICK!  someone! Cut my arms! They hurts!!! Did 500meters or 20x25meter or in imperial :546.806649 yard

No one  told me it was going to be painful  :(   swam for only 30 minutes but it was enough for today.
Welcome to hell
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on November 04, 2011, 10:47:24 PM
Heh.

2700yards or so tonight.  They just started switching the pool between 25y and 50m depending on the time/day.  Haven't swam short yards in awhile, so it was interesting.

400 w/u
6x125
200
3x(300, 150).  300s coming in on about 4:15 or so. 
Short cooldown.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 21, 2012, 10:09:02 AM
DAMN KIDS!  :P
 
Showed up to the pool for my sat morning swim to discover the pool closed for of all things, A  YOUTH SWIM MEET!  The nerve of them, denying me my weekend swim training for a bunch of snot nosed kids! ;)
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on January 21, 2012, 10:20:37 AM
Shoulda lined up and droped the hamer on 'em.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on January 21, 2012, 10:37:41 AM
DAMN KIDS!  :P
 
Showed up to the pool for my sat morning swim to discover the pool closed for of all things, A  YOUTH SWIM MEET!  The nerve of them, denying me my weekend swim training for a bunch of snot nosed kids! ;)


You joke, but you have no idea how pissed off some people get at the pool being closed for swim teams. Our high school coach has a person come on deck yelling at him about every other year on average :picard:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 21, 2012, 10:58:15 AM
Wens. I saw one of those people today, and told him to calm down and look around.  A bunch of 7-13 y/o from all over the state to swim.  Normally on sat morning there are no more than 10 people all morning swimming.  There were at least 100 kids there by 9 am.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 21, 2012, 11:00:23 AM
Shoulda lined up and droped the hamer on 'em.
Only way for me to win a race. 

I kicked those 7 y/o girls' butts!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on January 21, 2012, 11:37:34 AM

You joke, but you have no idea how pissed off some people get at the pool being closed for swim teams. Our high school coach has a person come on deck yelling at him about every other year on average :picard:

Shoulda seen the recent outrage here.  The pool I swim at has been 50m.  It's owned by the city and independent, but connects to a high school and serves as their pool as well.  They started converting it to 25y at times so the kids could practice at the length they race in.  People were up in arms.  It's crazy.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 07, 2012, 02:56:25 PM
OK, I've been lax in posting my swim status lately since my run is so pitiful.  My swim training has been very steady.  I've been swimming twice weekly.  1600-2000yds one day and 2500-3000 the other.  I often throw pull drills in if I'm gonna run the same day, or if my legs are tired.  And often do the one arm drills and occasionally fist drills (those are hard!).
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on March 07, 2012, 08:42:50 PM
Get that elbow up!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 09, 2012, 04:03:12 PM
Hard swim day today.
400 warm up
400 fist drill (ouch)
200 kick
10x25 one arm
500 swim
500 pull (with paddles)
400 cool down

I'm sitting in the sauna now trying to get my shoulders to stop twitching.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 12, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
planned a 1000k fast swim yesterday.  My goggles snapped at 200yds.  No backup.  :facepalm:
 
I ran 2 miles and went home.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on March 12, 2012, 03:23:24 PM
I did a workout on Friday that I liked decently:

10x200y.  Beginning on a longer than normal interval, and taking off 0:05 every 200 until you can't make it any more.  Then you add 0:10 to that and finish out the set.  So I did 7 at 3:20/3:15/3:10/3:05/3:00/2:55, then missed the 2:50.  Then finished the last 3 on 3:05.  Tough set, and went quick.  Add in warmup and cooldown and I think I was at 3300y.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 12, 2012, 03:32:02 PM
how long of a rest do you take between 200's? 
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on March 12, 2012, 03:36:44 PM
That was just the interval.  I was pretty much holding 2:50 the entire time for the actual 200 time.  So it started with 30 seconds rest, then 25/20/15/10/5, then failure.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 12, 2012, 03:42:11 PM
uggh!  yeah, that would be painfull  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on March 12, 2012, 05:17:29 PM
@Quel i'm not sure which sounds worse, that or drop down 100's. Started on a 1:40, sendoff decreases by 1 second every repeat, so:
1:40
1;39
1:38:
etc.


Goal time for our guys' team was 1:05 or 1:06, can't remember which. Best I ever managed was 1:07 or 1:08 if I remember right. I know I never made the goal.

















Just to make you guys feel inadequate, our distance stud stopped at :55, still getting rest, because he was tired of swimming the set alone.


ETA: his best times: 200 fr:  1:40.40 500 fr: 4:28.83  1650 fr: 15:44.01
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 12, 2012, 05:45:05 PM
 :(
 
 :help:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 15, 2012, 05:17:10 PM
I did a workout on Friday that I liked decently:

10x200y.  Beginning on a longer than normal interval, and taking off 0:05 every 200 until you can't make it any more.  Then you add 0:10 to that and finish out the set.  So I did 7 at 3:20/3:15/3:10/3:05/3:00/2:55, then missed the 2:50.  Then finished the last 3 on 3:05.  Tough set, and went quick.  Add in warmup and cooldown and I think I was at 3300y.
I friggin hate you. I almost drowned on my 5 th 200!!
And that was starting at 5:00!!!


You and wens both suck.  Thanks. 


After I blew up at 960 yds   I caught my breath and swam another 1000 at a relaxed pace.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 15, 2012, 05:19:02 PM
Another thing I noticed today was that when I was really trying to swim fast, I slowed down.  I think I may need to work on that.  :/
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Quel on March 15, 2012, 07:27:54 PM
Means you should swim fast more often to get it going right! 


When I'm real burnt out at the end of a workout, trying to swim hard doesn't do me much good versus focusing on an easy but smoother stroke.  Last night was a good example of this.  My triceps were killing me by the end of the night, so I wasn't pulling all the way through the back of the stroke if I was starting the stroke hard.  If I slowed down my hand in the water, I wasn't working as hard, but I got through the back of the stroke for about the same overall speed.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on March 15, 2012, 07:45:19 PM
Another thing I noticed today was that when I was really trying to swim fast, I slowed down.  I think I may need to work on that.  :/


Position matters more than power too, especially as you get going faster.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 24, 2012, 11:29:38 AM
For the first time since my return to swimming I attempted a workout from my youth swim team days. 800yd ladders.
8x100
4x200
2x400
800
2x400
3x200 and my honey nut Cheerios started to come  back.

Well, I was close.  Still, a real good workout.  Longest swim to date.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: LAJ on March 24, 2012, 11:34:48 AM
Holy....

That's like...... (brings out fingers) 48 miles, give or take...... of swimming, RUOkie.....

Well done!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 24, 2012, 11:56:56 AM
Holy....

That's like...... (brings out fingers) 48 miles, give or take...... of swimming, RUOkie.....

Well done!
:lol:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on March 29, 2012, 01:32:47 PM
500
1000
500
200 cool down
 
finished in just under an hour.  Things are getting better.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on April 13, 2012, 09:46:27 PM
Swimming when you feel like crap is harder than cycling when you feel like crap. 


Just sayin' :(
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on April 13, 2012, 10:10:21 PM
Swimming when you feel like crap is harder than cycling when you feel like crap. 


Just sayin' :(


I dunno. I've done a whole hell of a lot more swimming when i've felt like crap than i have cycling.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on May 14, 2012, 10:28:34 PM
1600 straight... Longest straight swim since IM last year.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on June 19, 2012, 08:06:23 AM
Swam with the remnants of my cold yesterday.  1000 no breaks.  Very slow.  I stopped when I started to cough. Well, that is not quite true. I got out of the pool when people started looking at me funny because I could not stop coughing. 

Still not sure if that was the remnants of my cold or if it was asthma.  I suspect both. 
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on July 07, 2012, 03:17:21 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo320/Ijen0311/a37fb306.jpg)
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on July 22, 2012, 06:06:39 PM
500 warm up
10x50 free with 1:15 recovery between intervals.  I went 10sec slower on #9 and blew up on #10
500 cool down.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on August 27, 2012, 09:50:08 PM
Things are getting serious... Bought a new swimsuit and everything needed. I'm joining a ''master'' swimming club in two weeks, they say they have coaches and their goal is to help everyone to get better and get into swimming.

I'm nervous  :shh: 
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on September 10, 2012, 05:55:28 PM
That's it, first day swimming.

I'm slow, unefficient and my cardio totally saved me. My arms are in total pain. and I swam 950m.


Life is hard in the slow lane lol.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on September 18, 2012, 10:14:39 PM
 :o  I did 1300meters today.

that's like 350m more than a week ago! (And I have yet to drown  :D )
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on September 19, 2012, 06:25:15 AM
Great work Alex. It does get easier.

I've got to get back to the pool
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on September 19, 2012, 01:08:45 PM
I'm doing laser tattoo removal and can't swim for a week they said  :(
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on September 19, 2012, 01:16:55 PM
I'm doing laser tattoo removal and can't swim for a week they said  :(

why?
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ygduf on September 19, 2012, 01:24:17 PM

why?


I'd wager that the old x-acto route hurts more.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on September 19, 2012, 04:04:10 PM

why?

Tattoo I don't like anymore. 2 actually.

And it's excruciating.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on September 19, 2012, 04:21:11 PM
Tattoo I don't like anymore. 2 actually.

And it's excruciating.
not a pic of the murse is it?  :P
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ijen on September 19, 2012, 04:27:58 PM
not a pic of the murse is it?  :P

I heart Bosnians 4ever
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on September 19, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
Swam 1400m today, I had to change lane cause I was too fast for the people in the slowest lane.
In the other lane there was a lady and a man. They were really nice with me and the woman must have been horrified by my technique, she kept on giving me tips and tricks to get better.  :P

I'm surprised. I swam a lot when I was young but I had totally forgot how fun it was. I'm really enjoying  it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: shovelhd on September 19, 2012, 08:18:29 PM
I heart Bosnians 4ever

gawd
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 05, 2013, 01:25:58 PM
Bump. 

First time in the pool in close to 6 months.  And first real training type exercise in probably 6 weeks.

1500 yds.  42 min.  Did a 100yd warmup first.  Then the 1500. 

I thought the pool was going to close for a swim team practice but they let me use one lap. 

So I did drop down 50's for 5 reps until I did not make my time.   I refuse to post that time for fear of wens laughing at me.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on January 05, 2013, 05:27:42 PM
Bump. 

First time in the pool in close to 6 months.  And first real training type exercise in probably 6 weeks.

1500 yds.  42 min.  Did a 100yd warmup first.  Then the 1500. 

I thought the pool was going to close for a swim team practice but they let me use one lap. 

So I did drop down 50's for 5 reps until I did not make my time.   I refuse to post that time for fear of wens laughing at me.


You don't have to post the time for me to make fun of you  :P


I'm assuming you started on a :30 second sendoff, that sounds about right for making 5 reps ;)
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 06, 2013, 06:22:08 PM
I just re read this entire thread.   There is some good stuff here.  Thanks wens (and kuf/quel if you are still around). 
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on January 18, 2013, 09:39:55 AM
Got in the pool last night for the first time in 3 years, I HATE swimming.  Did some laps, probably 20 total, with several rest breaks between them.  This is gonna take a little while to get back into shape to be able to do a sprint tri and not drown.  Baby steps.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 18, 2013, 10:26:49 AM
Got in the pool last night for the first time in 3 years, I HATE swimming.  Did some laps, probably 20 total, with several rest breaks between them.  This is gonna take a little while to get back into shape to be able to do a sprint tri and not drown.  Baby steps.
20 laps on the first day is pretty good.  Read this thread and the drill thread. The advice here really helped me get back
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on January 22, 2013, 02:34:16 PM
snuck in a medium level swim during instead of lunch today
 
45min swim (lsd)--I don't know the distance, but probably around 1.5miles
 
8x50 one arm drills (25yds each arm) with no rest between sets.  I planned on 10 sets but my form collapsed on the 8th set.
 
100 sprint
 
200 cool down.
 
dizzy
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on February 01, 2013, 02:57:52 PM
Did a total of 1000 meters yesterday, lots of rest breaks. I really have to get some type of coaching if I plan on doing any type of distance.
Title: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on February 06, 2013, 12:43:50 PM
Pro tip.  Don't lift weights before swimming.  It might lead to a big fail.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on February 06, 2013, 06:08:08 PM
Pro tip.  Don't lift weights before swimming.  It might lead to a big fail.


You should feel better afterwards, it's a stretching sport ;)

I actually did feel better after swimming, but man was warmup a b****
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on February 06, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
Pro tip.  Don't lift weights before swimming.  It might lead to a big fail.
Thanks for the tip doc
Title: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on February 06, 2013, 08:37:15 PM
I like swimming followed by lifting. The other way around today hurt big time.  My shoulders were killing me m
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on February 13, 2013, 12:45:59 PM
500 meters last night and some lifting. It has been awhile since I last did weight training and now I remember how much I liked it.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on February 17, 2013, 11:07:01 AM
My alma mater's flyer split a 21.6 in the 50 fly leg of the medley relay. Mind. Blown. Anyhow, as you were.
Title: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on February 17, 2013, 12:14:47 PM
Damn.  Thanks for killing me.  Just when I think I'm swimming decent splits.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on February 17, 2013, 12:32:25 PM
Damn.  Thanks for killing me.  Just when I think I'm swimming decent splits.


He'd score points at a D1 conference meet, so...he's a stud. I need to get back in a pool and figure out if i can still swim fly after i blew up my collarbone. I'm assuming I can, I think the flexibility is back, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on April 03, 2013, 10:47:24 AM
I have my first actual coached swim session tonight.  The only swim lesson I had was when I was tought to swim at the age of 3.  This should be interesting.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on April 04, 2013, 05:32:58 PM
That was interesting.  Started with a warm up and then we did a 100 for speed analysis.  The instructor put me in the 2:00 group for 10 x 100.  After the second I was moved to the 2:30 and I still barely did them.  God help me I am in trouble.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on April 04, 2013, 06:02:41 PM
That was interesting.  Started with a warm up and then we did a 100 for speed analysis.  The instructor put me in the 2:00 group for 10 x 100.  After the second I was moved to the 2:30 and I still barely did them.  God help me I am in trouble.
do you have to change your name to TryGuy? :P 
 
j/k  At least you are training.  I'm just the suck
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on April 04, 2013, 06:48:31 PM
I think you are correct on the try vs tri guy
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on April 08, 2013, 09:03:30 PM
OWS tonight, wetsuits rock.
Title: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on April 08, 2013, 10:20:53 PM
OWS tonight, wetsuits rock.
correct.  And as wens has pointed out.  The worse you swim the bigger the wetsuit advantage
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on April 09, 2013, 06:36:15 AM
I am a horrible swimmer and it was like a rocket ship.
Title: Swimming Status
Post by: RUOkie on April 09, 2013, 08:16:22 AM
I know the feeling. 
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: wens on April 09, 2013, 09:09:11 PM
Cheaters!


You should have to suffer through being passed by guys double your weight who gave up on actually training after they stopped swimming in college.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on April 10, 2013, 05:58:17 AM
Don't worry, they still pass me.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Ti Guy on April 18, 2013, 06:28:31 AM
Intervals last night in the class, god they suck...or was I just suck at swimming.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on July 10, 2013, 01:51:01 PM
any idea if there are good swim training to do in one of those backyard swimming pool?
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on September 14, 2013, 10:03:09 AM
I'll just restart this thread by myself. So, yesterday I went swimming with a friend, friend being the guy who always wants to run with me but is way too fast for me. However, he also used to kick my ass a lot in the pool. He was able to do like twice what I would do in the same time BUT, it seems, even though I didn't swim much last year (I did swim for 3-4 months prior to xmas and then was unable to find the motivation to go back(shame on me) yesterday, I actually was making him work. I was in a slower lane than him and actually went faster! haha.

we followed each other in our workout, when I did legs he did legs and so on. Leg alone, I would beat him by at least the full lenght of my body  and with the pull I had like a meter on him. Felt great to finally beat him for like the first time in my life ever. 

Also, I found out this pool is also where one of my tri-friend swims at  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on September 15, 2013, 06:34:08 PM
Just did 2000meters lots of legs, lots of pull buoy, and I'm working on bilateral breathing, I at least managed to "unlock" it, I was unable to do it before but now I "can". So that's a progress. When I do drills with the pull or just legs, I do pretty well imho but when I do the whole thing it feels terrible. Really. I need to work on that.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on September 22, 2013, 08:30:56 PM
did 1500m, I was feeling weak today.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on September 30, 2013, 11:38:44 AM
I went swimming a few time since my last update, I'm still wondering if I should focus on trying to get this bilateral breathing right or just make it simple and just breath from one side alone.

btw I still feel weak but this may just be a side effect of this trainer thing I'm doing that's pretty hard. Uh who would have thought.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on October 01, 2013, 11:58:14 PM
I think I'm actually enjoying it. I suck, but I'm having fun. swam for 45minutes today.

One day I'll be able to do something!
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: jonesy on October 02, 2013, 08:39:51 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: alexvpaq on October 05, 2013, 12:53:12 PM
I swam again yesterday, I will go tomorrow too.
I really am still amazed at how silly hard combining everything and getting a rhythm is.
Breathing bilaterally : weakness #1. but can do it when I focus on it alone.
Catch and pull can be surprisingly efficient when I focus on it and do it properly, I mean, wow, I can catch up on my friend who's halfway in the pool before he reaches the other end (me with a pull buoy). (he swam a lot more than me but really never focused on technique, just doing a lot of lenghts by himself)
Kicking alone, I did beat my friend too at that by over 10seconds on a 25yard sprint so I believe I'm somewhat okay there too.
I manage to not get my legs to sink stupidly too it helps a lot but when it comes to making all of those combine into one and just swim. ahahah. Failure!
I like forget to kick or breath/exhale whatever and then I realize and focus on breathing or kicking and forget to do any roll with my whole body so I'm just so un-smooth and I know it my arms are just flailing like I was an idiot and I then stop breathing entirely *yells*

 :facepalm:  Duhhhhhh
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: WCroadie on July 31, 2014, 12:50:47 PM
So I am probably gonna start my YMCA membership back up, got a 3 day pass this morning and did 50 laps in the pool, all freestyle cause that's the only stroke I know how to do...
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Wylde06 on July 31, 2014, 01:21:03 PM
all freestyle cause that's the only stroke I know how to do...

twss
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: jonesy on July 31, 2014, 01:23:20 PM
Oh noes. Is WC turning into a triathlete?
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: ygduf on July 31, 2014, 01:25:20 PM
he did suffer a head injury, so it's possible.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: Wylde06 on July 31, 2014, 01:34:41 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: WCroadie on July 31, 2014, 02:34:42 PM
he did suffer a head injury, so it's possible.
Not possible, I am not allowed to ride a bike  :(   If I don't do something I will be 200lbs before I know it :wha:
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 05, 2016, 06:24:19 PM
So we moved, we bought a house in a new overpriced edition and then my husband promptly got deployed for lord nows how long again. BUT! right down the road is a gym with a lap pool, I'm thinking about joining, at first all I will be able to handle is swimming once a week.


It also has a sauna.  :D
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 08, 2016, 07:58:50 PM
I don't have plans this weekend yet, maybe I'll have time to sneak by the gym down the street.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 10, 2016, 08:12:59 PM
The weekend hasn't started yet, and I'm running out of time.. I might not make it.
Title: Re: Swimming Status
Post by: makel on March 20, 2016, 10:19:31 PM
Didn't make it yet.